Comments on: The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:20:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Frank http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-18898 Frank Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:08:08 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-18898 I find the existing options in the world of FOSS cms's pretty woeful. I know that a many individuals and communities and put a lot of work into them. But cms creators have tconsistently made interesting decisions that I think are pretty poor. Most cms's out there force you to use an xhtml doctype. But, as we all know, IE can't parse the neccessary MIME type... The insistence on the XHTML also means that the devs will have more work to do in the future that would have been unneccessary if they implemented better templating and editing options. HTML 5 is on the way, and very very few cms's are for it. I find the existing options in the world of FOSS cms’s pretty woeful.

I know that a many individuals and communities and put a lot of work into them.
But cms creators have tconsistently made interesting decisions that I think are pretty poor.

Most cms’s out there force you to use an xhtml doctype. But, as we all know, IE can’t parse the neccessary MIME type…

The insistence on the XHTML also means that the devs will have more work to do in the future that would have been unneccessary if they implemented better templating and editing options. HTML 5 is on the way, and very very few cms’s are for it.

]]> By: Content Management System Blog, Latest news on Joomla, Drupal, Wordpress, Mod-x http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-18425 Content Management System Blog, Latest news on Joomla, Drupal, Wordpress, Mod-x Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:58:01 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-18425 [...] Boag wrote an article a while back entitled "The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS" over on Vitamin/Carsonified and I really thought it was a useful item to ponder over as a CMS [...] [...] Boag wrote an article a while back entitled "The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS" over on Vitamin/Carsonified and I really thought it was a useful item to ponder over as a CMS [...]

]]> By: The 6 hidden costs of running a DAM system | Digital Asset Management http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-18245 The 6 hidden costs of running a DAM system | Digital Asset Management Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:08:25 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-18245 [...] Boag wrote an article a while back entitled “The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS” over on Vitamin/Carsonified and I really thought it was a useful item to ponder over as a [...] [...] Boag wrote an article a while back entitled “The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS” over on Vitamin/Carsonified and I really thought it was a useful item to ponder over as a [...]

]]> By: Cigarrest http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-17533 Cigarrest Mon, 04 Jan 2010 03:58:53 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-17533 these are probably just the initial costs. there are many more as you start having problems and when you are looking for new features. before launch, training is definitely no 1. these are probably just the initial costs. there are many more as you start having problems and when you are looking for new features.

before launch, training is definitely no 1.

]]> By: R. Knight http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-15026 R. Knight Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:26:43 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-15026 It's very unfortunate that there STILL doesn't seem to be a decent WYSIWYG editor available. This is a big part of the problem of the hidden cost to quality when using a CMS. Even the editors that claim to output only strict XHTML code can usually be made to generate a heap of unnecessary tags and invalid nesting with no trouble at all! Usually all it takes is to reformat things a few times and move elements around on the page a bit (basic stuff clients do all the time) and pretty soon you find div tags nested inside span tags, pairs of tags that apply a style containing repeated tags that undo that style and so on! Sometimes it's completely invalid code, other times it's technically valid but horribly bloated and heaven help you if you need to fix anything manually. Not to mention the bugs they all seem to contain, like where elements which appear to be separate are actually contained inside the same tags so you can't change formatting on one thing without it also applying to something else that's three lines down on the page! I've never been a fan of WYSIWYG editors but sometimes I'm forced to use them and every six months or so I check them all out again - still disappointed so far :( It’s very unfortunate that there STILL doesn’t seem to be a decent WYSIWYG editor available. This is a big part of the problem of the hidden cost to quality when using a CMS. Even the editors that claim to output only strict XHTML code can usually be made to generate a heap of unnecessary tags and invalid nesting with no trouble at all!

Usually all it takes is to reformat things a few times and move elements around on the page a bit (basic stuff clients do all the time) and pretty soon you find div tags nested inside span tags, pairs of tags that apply a style containing repeated tags that undo that style and so on!

Sometimes it’s completely invalid code, other times it’s technically valid but horribly bloated and heaven help you if you need to fix anything manually.

Not to mention the bugs they all seem to contain, like where elements which appear to be separate are actually contained inside the same tags so you can’t change formatting on one thing without it also applying to something else that’s three lines down on the page!

I’ve never been a fan of WYSIWYG editors but sometimes I’m forced to use them and every six months or so I check them all out again – still disappointed so far :(

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]]> By: Dave http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-13024 Dave Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:23:36 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-13024 I develop with Ruby on Rails. I design a mini-CMS for each of my clients sites that consists of only the things they need to be able to edit or create more of (Blog posts, Client listings, Partner listings). It is really amazing how much they love their sites, and how easy it is for them to do what they want. With RoR, making mini-CMS's is really, really easy. I develop with Ruby on Rails. I design a mini-CMS for each of my clients sites that consists of only the things they need to be able to edit or create more of (Blog posts, Client listings, Partner listings). It is really amazing how much they love their sites, and how easy it is for them to do what they want. With RoR, making mini-CMS’s is really, really easy.

]]> By: Is usability the most important thing for a Web CMS? « Zahoor’s Blog http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-12638 Is usability the most important thing for a Web CMS? « Zahoor’s Blog Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:31:48 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-12638 [...] The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS (Paul Boag) Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)CMS reviewAbout Web CMS and its requirements… Posted by contenttype Filed in CMS selection, Usability Leave a Comment » [...] [...] The 5 hidden costs of running a CMS (Paul Boag) Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)CMS reviewAbout Web CMS and its requirements… Posted by contenttype Filed in CMS selection, Usability Leave a Comment » [...]

]]> By: Pregger http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7787 Pregger Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:05:03 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7787 I have been using Joomla for 2 years and it is quite flexible for adding more function. if you are looking for CMS to using for your business pls, have a look at Joomla too. I do agree on hiding costs very much, if you are big site better think carefully which one to choose.. I have been using Joomla for 2 years and it is quite flexible for adding more function. if you are looking for CMS to using for your business pls, have a look at Joomla too.
I do agree on hiding costs very much, if you are big site better think carefully which one to choose..

]]> By: mirc http://carsonified.com/blog/dev/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms/#comment-7781 mirc Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:33:17 +0000 http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/biz/the-5-hidden-costs-of-running-a-cms#comment-7781 Any time you have to transmute information, the associated costs are arbitrary and unpredictable. Any time you have to transmute information, the associated costs are arbitrary and unpredictable.

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