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		<title>By: JoseRS</title>
		<link>http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/when-you-fail-its-time-to-try-again/#comment-16501</link>
		<dc:creator>JoseRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How&#039;s it going?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;s it going?</p>
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		<title>By: InsongeMoolve</title>
		<link>http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/when-you-fail-its-time-to-try-again/#comment-10575</link>
		<dc:creator>InsongeMoolve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a second everything went quiet in the cab, then the driver said, &quot;Look mate, don&#039;t ever do that again. You scared the daylights out of me!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a second everything went quiet in the cab, then the driver said, &#8220;Look mate, don&#8217;t ever do that again. You scared the daylights out of me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/when-you-fail-its-time-to-try-again/#comment-4469</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the fact you published his terms of service leaves a real bad taste. even if it is a great contract, you don&#039;t really have the right to everyone. it&#039;s arrogant and tantamount to invasion of privacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the fact you published his terms of service leaves a real bad taste. even if it is a great contract, you don&#8217;t really have the right to everyone. it&#8217;s arrogant and tantamount to invasion of privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Warner</title>
		<link>http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/when-you-fail-its-time-to-try-again/#comment-4468</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to reading about it.

BTW, why haven&#039;t you put a placeholder site up yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to reading about it.</p>
<p>BTW, why haven&#8217;t you put a placeholder site up yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Carsonified &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Get your checkbook out - HeyAmigo.net is going on eBay</title>
		<link>http://carsonified.com/blog/web-apps/when-you-fail-its-time-to-try-again/#comment-4467</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsonified &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Get your checkbook out - HeyAmigo.net is going on eBay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You might be wondering: &#8220;Why are you building Truvay, if you don&#8217;t have time to run Amigo?&#8221;. The reason is that Amigo didn&#8217;t fit directly into our strategy as a company, so it isn&#8217;t worth taking resources off current tasks to manage it. Truvay is very different as it fits perfectly with our events and our community (you guys!). Keir and I will be dedicating one day a week to Truvay once it launches. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You might be wondering: &#8220;Why are you building Truvay, if you don&#8217;t have time to run Amigo?&#8221;. The reason is that Amigo didn&#8217;t fit directly into our strategy as a company, so it isn&#8217;t worth taking resources off current tasks to manage it. Truvay is very different as it fits perfectly with our events and our community (you guys!). Keir and I will be dedicating one day a week to Truvay once it launches. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Holder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On first read of this, the deal for Elliot sucks. He should be able to bring in £200 a day fairly easily as a contractor so he&#039;s investing quite a lot for something that will quite possibly not bring in a penny. That&#039;s about £10k a year in lossed earnings if it doesn&#039;t make a profit for a year!

One thing I&#039;m not clear on is how much input Elliot will have on the app. Will he be starting from scratch with just an idea or is he building it to a tight specification?

What happens if the development effort needs to be stepped up?

All that being said we are not clear what his motives are, perhaps he doesn&#039;t need the cash, perhaps he wants to become a web celebrity? There&#039;s no doubt he&#039;s getting good exposure thus far.

I do commend the openess of the deal though. It wouldn&#039;t suprise me if Elliot was now flooded with slightly more lucrative offers on a similar basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On first read of this, the deal for Elliot sucks. He should be able to bring in £200 a day fairly easily as a contractor so he&#8217;s investing quite a lot for something that will quite possibly not bring in a penny. That&#8217;s about £10k a year in lossed earnings if it doesn&#8217;t make a profit for a year!</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;m not clear on is how much input Elliot will have on the app. Will he be starting from scratch with just an idea or is he building it to a tight specification?</p>
<p>What happens if the development effort needs to be stepped up?</p>
<p>All that being said we are not clear what his motives are, perhaps he doesn&#8217;t need the cash, perhaps he wants to become a web celebrity? There&#8217;s no doubt he&#8217;s getting good exposure thus far.</p>
<p>I do commend the openess of the deal though. It wouldn&#8217;t suprise me if Elliot was now flooded with slightly more lucrative offers on a similar basis.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen-turner.net &#187; links for 2009-01-07</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen-turner.net &#187; links for 2009-01-07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Carsonified » Blog Archive » When you fail, it’s time to try again Interesting post on the open economics of doing a web app with a contract developer. Good to note on how these things can work. (tags: web2.0 internet business entrepreneurship)     Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Carsonified » Blog Archive » When you fail, it’s time to try again Interesting post on the open economics of doing a web app with a contract developer. Good to note on how these things can work. (tags: web2.0 internet business entrepreneurship)     Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Grabanski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Grabanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Ryan thank you for being transparent about the contract. Before even reading the comments thread, I used Ryan and Elliot&#039;s contract as subject material for my article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://marcgrabanski.com/article/negotiating-good-contracts-startup-companies&quot; title=&quot;Negotiating Good Contracts for Startup Companies&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;negotiating good contracts for startup companies&lt;/a&gt;. I wish I was supportive of you Ryan, as I am all for entrepreneurs - but the deal you worked out with Elliott is just unreasonably in your favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Ryan thank you for being transparent about the contract. Before even reading the comments thread, I used Ryan and Elliot&#8217;s contract as subject material for my article on <a href="http://marcgrabanski.com/article/negotiating-good-contracts-startup-companies" title="Negotiating Good Contracts for Startup Companies" rel="nofollow">negotiating good contracts for startup companies</a>. I wish I was supportive of you Ryan, as I am all for entrepreneurs &#8211; but the deal you worked out with Elliott is just unreasonably in your favor.</p>
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		<title>By: McKinley</title>
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		<dc:creator>McKinley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notice clause is crazy. You already sacked him once to save costs, why should he think you wouldn&#039;t do it again and prevent him from reaping the rewards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notice clause is crazy. You already sacked him once to save costs, why should he think you wouldn&#8217;t do it again and prevent him from reaping the rewards?</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we have to remember something here.  As a freelancer you are working for yourself and most freelancers has some &quot;entreprenuer&quot; qualities in them or are full fledged entrpreneurs.

This app is most definetly a risk for both parties involved.  It is a risk for Elliott and the Carsonified team because both are putting their time and effort on the line to develop this app.  Elliott is lucky to be working with the Carsonified team because he can have the peace of mind to know that the app will be managed correctly.

You have to be able to look at the opportunity presented to you and analyze the risk-reward.  Is it risky for Elliott to work on this project?  YES because the app might fail.  But the potential reward is huge and considering the partner Elliott is working with, the reward is much more likely to be in Elliott&#039;s favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have to remember something here.  As a freelancer you are working for yourself and most freelancers has some &#8220;entreprenuer&#8221; qualities in them or are full fledged entrpreneurs.</p>
<p>This app is most definetly a risk for both parties involved.  It is a risk for Elliott and the Carsonified team because both are putting their time and effort on the line to develop this app.  Elliott is lucky to be working with the Carsonified team because he can have the peace of mind to know that the app will be managed correctly.</p>
<p>You have to be able to look at the opportunity presented to you and analyze the risk-reward.  Is it risky for Elliott to work on this project?  YES because the app might fail.  But the potential reward is huge and considering the partner Elliott is working with, the reward is much more likely to be in Elliott&#8217;s favor.</p>
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